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Sans ([personal profile] ribticklers) wrote2022-11-09 04:38 pm

LV Permissions

What's EXP? It's an acronym. It stands for 'execution points.' A way of quantifying the pain you have inflicted on others. When you kill someone, your EXP increases. When you have enough EXP, your LOVE increases. LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for 'Level of Violence.' A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.


Sans has the ability to see the LV (LOVE) and EXP of others. The canon explanation is above; for cross-canon purposes, here's a more general explanation:

LV ranges from 1 to 20. There is no such thing as level 0; all sentient creatures have the capacity to hurt. Someone who has never killed, with the lowest possible willingness to harm others, will have LV1 EXP0. Each LV takes more EXP than the last to reach; one murder, if it was painful enough, can cause someone to rise from LV1 to LV2, but you have to kill countless people to reach LV20. So--LV20. This is someone who kills just because they can. Not for money, power, some goal--because they can, and because they can, they have to. Just to see what happens. An LV20 character would have no qualms about killing anyone at any time, being completely distant from everything and everyone. LV20 is extremely rare, and basically constitutes a universe-ending threat.

As for the LV in between, it may be useful to reference Sans's judgments given to the player character at different levels. In general, the more easily a character can justify killing and not feel badly about it, the higher their LV. While a character who has murdered and feels terrible about it will have an LV above 1, it will be lower than the one who doesn't feel bad. The point is in how much the character has distanced themselves.

Willingness to hurt and willingness to fight are different things; sparring is different, after all, and sparing your opponent also spares you the EXP and LV. EXP and LV quantify permanent damage done to others, and the willingness to inflict permanent damage.

EXP is typically earned through murder. If you think your character should have EXP even if they haven't murdered someone, though, that's fine! It would have to be a level of inflicted pain roughly equivalent, but a lot of canons have a lot of terrible situations to get into. If your character melted someone's brain but left them technically alive, for example, you could give them EXP for that. It's up to you!

If your character is possessed and puppets their body to kill someone, then the person doing the possessing gains the LV. If your character is possessed and the possessing character just talks the character they possessed into killing others, then the person being possessed gains LV.

Sans can only see your character's LV with player permission. If you don't want him to see it, that's fine! He'll just see a weird blank spot where the numbers should be and chalk it up to the location interfering with his abilities. Sans is also very passive and unlikely to actually do much about your LV beyond avoiding/being suspicious of/watching you if you have a high LV/if your LV is actively increasing. Even then, he's going to just be passive aggressive and intimidating about it rather than actually try confrontation, if he even does that. Not his circus, not his monkeys, you know? Still, I totally get if you don't want to deal with it at all! Be free, do as you please. This is opt-in, so I assume Sans can't see someone's LV until I get an explicit reply saying it's okay. (But a reply saying for sure you don't want it would be great, too, so I can keep track better!)

finalbows: ✌️ ( >v9 ) ✨ (can't help being a gemini)

new context to kuja quote "Should I kill you slowly and painfully to show you my LOVE..."

[personal profile] finalbows 2022-11-09 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Zazo
Character: Kuja ([personal profile] finalbows)
LV: 19
EXP: 99,99....8

Character: Kuja(?) ([personal profile] finalbows) (actually this one is Queen Brahne, whose soul is riding side saddle with him)
LV: 10
EXP: numbers are hard Kuja's is just one point from max
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violetlies: You asked my mom "who the fuck drives four hours to sleep in a guys bed and not touch his penis" (in a tent that isn't working)

[personal profile] violetlies 2022-11-09 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Tulip
Character: Kokichi Oma ([personal profile] violetlies)
LV: 2
EXP: Yes
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[personal profile] hjadningavig 2022-11-09 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Luminitrium
Character: Dainsleif ([personal profile] hjadningavig)
LV: N/A
EXP: Yes.
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[personal profile] cicadashell 2022-11-09 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Achsah
Character: Jiro Azuma ([personal profile] cicadashell)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

Note that Jiro has a piece of someone else's lifeforce inside him, so if Sans can see both of theirs, it's another LV:1, EXP:0.

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[personal profile] umurice 2022-11-09 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: March
Character: Hiiro Amagi ([personal profile] umurice)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

idk he just claims destruction but he has not actually done it so
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spaghettimonster: (SHADES MANY)

[personal profile] spaghettimonster 2022-11-09 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Swirl
Character: PAPYRUS ([personal profile] spaghettimonster)
LV: N/A
EXP: N/A

I mean listen man, it's probably 1 / 0 and we all know it. but we don't know and it adds a tiny spice to their different histories mystery, if it ever comes up
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[personal profile] hanikamu 2022-11-09 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Yana
Character: Rinne Amagi ([personal profile] hanikamu)
LV: 1
EXP: A little. He tortured animals when he was a kid, but in his defense, no one wanted to talk to him before that. He stopped when he moved to the city.
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[personal profile] doublecenter 2022-11-09 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Lav(ender)
Character: Haruka Isumi ([personal profile] doublecenter)
LV: 1
EXP: 0....

Haruka is a bitter teen who definitely wants people to hurt, but not in a physical sense, and he's too bitch baby to hurt to actually follow through on that. RIP.
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[personal profile] hundredpower 2022-11-10 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Candace
Character: Barnaby Brooks Jr. ([personal profile] hundredpower)
LV: 1
EXP: ???

Not sure about EXP, because as I mentioned elsewhere, Barnaby has come close to killing multiple people for revenge, but has been talked down from it and spared them in those instances. He still hurt them with murderous intent in both cases, so I'll let you decide if that's enough to count as EXP.
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[personal profile] ehero 2022-11-10 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Ichi
Character: Judai Yuki ([personal profile] ehero)
LV: 15
EXP: Whatever the highest number is LOL
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[personal profile] finalbows 2022-11-10 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
YOU KNOCKED HIM OFF THE TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD JUDAI!!!!!
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[personal profile] earnedmystripes 2022-11-10 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Batty
Character: Kotetsu T. Kaburagi ([personal profile] earnedmystripes)
LV: 1
EXP: 0
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[personal profile] cambium 2022-11-10 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Ori

Character: Ala ([personal profile] parhellia)
LV: ??
EXP: yes

Character: Lark (npc)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

Character: Hamtaro/Raven (npc)
LV: 17
EXP: yes

Character: Robin (npc)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

Character: Maggie (npc)
LV: ??
EXP: ??

Character: Swan (npc)
LV: 2
EXP: yes

Character: Crow (npc)
LV: ??
EXP: ??

Character: Sparrow (npc)
LV: 1
EXP: yes
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[personal profile] rottencactus 2022-11-10 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Jami
Character: Mayoi ([personal profile] rottencactus)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

violence is scary...
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[personal profile] worldwise 2022-11-11 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Vesper
Character: Rantaro Amami ([personal profile] worldwise)
LV: 2
EXP: Yes, It extends past the intended limit for his LV
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[personal profile] cranekin 2022-11-12 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Eski
Character: Tsurumaru Kuninaga ([personal profile] cranekin)
LV: 14
EXP: Yes. Tens of thousands but don't ask me for specifics.
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[personal profile] brokethefirst 2022-11-14 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Nik
Character: Luna ([personal profile] brokethefirst)
LV: N/A
EXP: N/A

because sans needs some more spice in his life :)
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[personal profile] removal 2022-11-14 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Sept
Character: Phantom ([personal profile] removal)
LV: 13
EXP: Hundreds.

[personal profile] curriculumachine 2022-11-16 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Achsah
Character: Akira ([personal profile] curriculumachine)
LV: 2
EXP: 3
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[personal profile] facebite 2022-11-26 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Candace
Character: Susie ([personal profile] facebite)
LV: 1
EXP: 0

In the Dark World she's LV3 (it goes up every time she and Kris seal a Dark Fountain), but Kris always stays LV1 in Hometown, so I'm going off of that for Susie as well. Hometown uses the Undertale menu so presumably follows the same rules for accruing LV.
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[personal profile] shouldbe 2022-11-26 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: abi
Character: Wave ([personal profile] shouldbe)
LV: 7
EXP: Yep :)
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[personal profile] sicklysweet 2022-11-26 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Lav(ender)
Character: Owen ([personal profile] sicklysweet)
LV: For normal Owen - 19.
For alt Owen - 2.
EXP: Normal - incredibly high.
Alt - 0? He's injured someone when lashing out, but they survived but if that adds to the EXP there's that.
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[personal profile] hadean_tides 2022-11-28 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Scherzo
Character: Albedo ([personal profile] hadean_tides)
LV: 2
EXP: Yes

He killed one of his doubles and feels some kind of way about it,
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[personal profile] alanhearted 2022-12-01 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Aru
Character: Chisato Nishikigi ([personal profile] alanhearted)
LV: 5
EXP: 0

Chisato's a bit of a complicated case considering she's a trained assassin/hitman. We don't know if she was ever actually on the field before her heart surgery (which occurred when she was seven). Given before then she was considered extremely fragile, I want to say that despite her prowess she wouldn't have been taken out on missions.

Which means that the Chisato who faced true combat is the one who outright refused to kill others to not take their time away from them. She is, however, still very capable of violence to disarm others and jokes about how her way is "probably more painful they'd prefer having died". Which is why her LV is so high!

If canon updates and confirms us otherwise I'll eat a hat, until then this is the best answer I have. No actual EXP but her LV is probably a lot higher than expected.
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[personal profile] worldbent 2022-12-01 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name: Kit
Character: Matoba Seiji ([personal profile] worldbent)
LV: let's say a healthy 17
EXP: hundreds
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[personal profile] killed 2022-12-01 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
Player Name:
Character: NAME ([profile] characterusername)
LV: 8
EXP: Yes. He's in his mid-20s and not killing people every other day, so let's see say his EXP is between 20-30.

I'm guessing at his level based on other answers and he's not a war criminal or anything like that, but I'm bad at these scales so please feel free to adjust as needed! He doesn't feel any guilt about killing at all, but it's calculated so if he has no reason to do harm and especially if it'll hurt him then he's not going to.

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